lou: law talk about th -- let'sk about the cyberattacks, some view they are a little bit closer to did damage than anyone thought, so far no damage. lasting damage at all. your thoughts? >> well cyberattacks in general have been not only industrial espionage but also, a full-scale assault on the most important of our defense pro pry tear information, so in that sense they have done a lot of attacks, are they trying to operate on the quirketty exchanges with alga rythms to disrupt trading might be another question. lou: it seems that wall street having enough success on its own thank you. using these high frequency trading, highly sophisticated series of programmatic trades, last week, 4% of the volume estimated to have been because of one algorithm carrying out false trades if you will, a scout program on the market, this is getting stupid, is it not? about well, -- >> wall street? >> yeah, the scout program, as you say, a euphemism for an attempt to manipulate equity markets in a particular way with vast amount of trading on a short period of time, 70% is high frequency, it can be dis